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[Mike Ambrosio]

Rob,

Most autoresponders, whether self hosted or a service, DON'T delete unsubscribes. They simply change to an inactive status.

Yes, I stated above I work for Mike.

I am not defending anything having to do with email - as I also stated.

I am at issue with your statement above.

I don't see how defending a friend will tarnish anything. I would defend you if I thought you were being unfairly "villified" in any way.

It's just how I am.

By your statement about being tarnished, you are making a sweeping statement that Mike has a tarnished image in everyone's eyes. That's your opinion, but it's not mine.

Clearly, there are issues - there will ALWAYS be issues.

But you can't claim you KNOW Mike's intentions when you have no personal contact with him.

Beat up his email system, or how much he markets, etc. I could care less because that would be an OPINION. Not a personal attack on his character - which is what I feel you did.

Plain and simple. Please - separate the two issues here.

Mike

[Robsellen]

Rob,

Most autoresponders, whether self hosted or a service, DON'T delete unsubscribes. They simply change to an inactive status.

Ok, right, well that still gives them NO right to resend to you.

Yes, I stated above I work for Mike.

I am not defending anything having to do with email - as I also stated.

I am at issue with your statement above.

I don't see how defending a friend will tarnish anything. I would defend you if I thought you were being unfairly villified in any way.

I understand that, but no one here is "unfairly" villifying him, are they?
I am not vilifying him, just stating what i know and that is in MY experince he has bad practices and actions which I feel are unethical.

It's just how I am.

Normally, yes, I know you are a good bloke.

Regarding Mike...
To a point, the fact you are working for him alters that a slight touch IMO.

By your statement about being tarnished, you are making a sweeping statement that Mike has a tarnished image in everyone's eyes.

Doesn't he?? if not WHY does this happen on all the forums, which YOU chase up...?

Clearly, there are issues - there will ALWAYS be issues.

I agree, it's how you DEAL with them that counts.

But you have no right to claim you KNOW Mike's intentions when you have no personal contact with him.

That don't wash mate, wtf difference does it make??
His intentions are pretty clear from MY point of view and IMO...
His intention clearly shows he would rather pay others to defend him than DEAL with issues.

Can you DENY that when you are here doing just that?
Can that NOT impact on your reputation?

Beat up his email system, or how much he markets, etc. I could care less because that would be an OPINION.

So WHY do you chase almost every thread that seems to be about him?
Whether its about what he does, someone getting ripped off, or such...yeah even IF it's not a personal attack in the op's eyes.

Not a personal attack on his character - which is what I feel you did.

Where was the "personal attack"??

Plain and simple. Please - separate the two issues here.

Mike

It's you saying they are seperate, why and where are they seperate?

C'mon Mike, I don't need to KNOW him personaly to form MY opinion, don't throw that crap at me, if that was the case, we would ALL have to KNOW EVERYone PERSONALY... aint gonna happen is it.

Just cos YOU know him personally, and seemingly come over as a worshipper of him, as you keep saying it, doesn't mean shit...so what, it means it can dazzle you more when you know him personally, maybe it's YOU who needs to seperate the issues.

No offence but that is crap mate.
If someone rips you off or something, it's irrelevant whethar you KNOW them personally, you aint gonna be happy and WILL form an opinion, it's doesn't make it PERSONAL.

Rob

[Mike Ambrosio]

Well, it's clear where you stand Rob.

Your opinions are well documented and your venom towards people you "don't like" are too. It's why you were N/A'd from the WF and kicked out as a moderator. Your intentions are crystal clear.

No point in carrying this on further.

Have a nice day.

Mike

[Robsellen]

Well, it's clear where you stand Rob.

Yeah, I don't like seeing people take the piss... and will say so.
At least I have the backbone.

Your opinions are well documented and your venom towards people you "don't like" are too. It's why you were N/A'd from the WF and kicked out as a moderator. Your intentions are crystal clear.

NOW who is getting personal...

You have NO idea why I got kicked out from warriors, it was because of ONE mod and that mod is an arse-hole?.
I never broke ONE rule.
I was NEVER a mod there.
Please don't start attacking me personaly, you dont KNOW me personally.

You should preactice what you preach Mike.

No point in carrying this on further.

I see... ok, it seems you would be happy to keep defending someone who is plainly unethical (but pays you), but when you are wrong as here, you don't.

Say's alot Mike.

Have a nice day.

Mike

I will, you too.

[Mike Ambrosio]

Interesting...

But I am amazed how many times you jump in on any thread that mentions him, you ALWAYS defend him no matter what.

Then...

Not being funny Mike, but I breezed to the warrior forum to check things out a bit more, as it's changed some, so just took a look and I saw this.. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/15529-mike-filsaime-spam-misleading-privacy-policy.html and wondered WHY you hadn't jumped in to that and defened him?

First, I defend everything, then I am asked why I didn't defend him.

I followed that thread for a short while. But I didn't feel there was anything to defend. People had opinions about his privacy policies. What's to defend?

I defend what I feel I need to and ignore the rest.

As to why Mike didn't jump in there? Why should he? It's a no-win situation if he does. Besides, the man is busy running his business.  When you make no money, you have the time to spend being a self-appointed forum cop and beat up people.

Which I find quite funny, actually - you spend a LOT of time in marketing forums, yet don't particularly like marketers and being marketed to. Are you even a marketer yourself any more?

I seem to remember you loving these same marketers when they were contributing to your sale to help you raise money...

This one I like too:

NOW who is getting personal...

Seems you can give it much better than take it

You have NO idea why I got kicked out from warriors, it was because of ONE mod and that mod is an arse-hole?.
I never broke ONE rule.

It takes more than one mod to have you N/A'd. Your reputation for running rough-shod over people was stuff of legend on that forum. Again, well-documented. Don't insult people's intelligence. Many people on this board also frequent THAT one.

Besides, I know most of the former mods of there...believe me - I know more than you think

Come to think of it, I remember Michael Green telling you to tone it down on HIS board on more than one occassion...

Please don't start attacking me personaly, you dont KNOW me personally.

Um...yes I do.

You seem to forget the personal help I gave you when you needed it most. Let me refresh your memory of the free reseller hosting I gave you for more than a year, as well as promoting the same sale I spoke of above. As well as all the help I gave installing scripts on your sites, etc.

And you wrote me plenty of IM's and emails regarding your sons. And I did the same about MY sons, as we seemed to have much in common on that subject.

These are the reasons I used to defend you when your rough-shod posts got the better of you.

Finally, yes - I am a worshipper - of my family.

I said it before and I will say it again...Mike is a personal friend, and was WAY before I started working for him.  He helped me in the same way I helped you. In fact, if it WASN'T for his help, I would not have been ABLE to help you.

The difference here is my appreciation for the help of others remains.

The difference is I try very hard not to be a negative person - even if I dislike someone. It speaks more of your own personal character when you can jump on a forum and cut people down.

Quite frankly, if you get "offended" at an errant email (which I am willing to bet that if you provide me with the email address in question, I would find that you subscribed AND confirmed...) then you obviously are EASILY offended - or have WAY too much time on your hands.

Well, I said I wouldn't continue and I did - I'm sure there will be a comment on that too - But alas, it's time to celebrate my son's fifth birthday. We're having a "Pirate Themed" party today and I have to go bury the treasure chest.

Peace.

[Robsellen]

Interesting...

But I am amazed how many times you jump in on any thread that mentions him, you ALWAYS defend him no matter what.

Then...

Not being funny Mike, but I breezed to the warrior forum to check things out a bit more, as it's changed some, so just took a look and I saw this.. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/15529-mike-filsaime-spam-misleading-privacy-policy.html and wondered WHY you hadn't jumped in to that and defened him?

First, I defend everything, then I am asked why I didn't defend him.

Woah, hang on, that's taken OUT of context, I said no matter what ypu defend him meaning you never say...well hang on ok Mike IS wrong. )

Meaning you only ever DEFEND him.

I followed that thread for a short while. But I didn't feel there was anything to defend. People had opinions about his privacy policies. What's to defend?

I defend what I feel I need to and ignore the rest.

Glad to hear that, it just seemed alot, but now I know you work for him it seems clearer why.

As to why Mike didn't jump in there? Why should he? It's a no-win situation if he does. Besides, the man is busy running his business.  When you make no money, you have the time to spend being a self-appointed forum cop and beat up people.

Beating up people? I never said why didn't he come defend himself, I said why not just DEAL with the issues that people are complaining about?!
If that spam never happened, I wouldn't have got annoyed, no?
It wasn't a simple spam thing and that's it, its a few things. He is unethical IMO.

Which I find quite funny, actually - you spend a LOT of time in marketing forums, yet don't particularly like marketers and being marketed to. Are you even a marketer yourself any more?

I used to, I don't now, I am just sick of the BULLSHIT and those who use it...
I dn't have a beef with marketers marketing...i LOVE it....not that you can call what Mike does marketeing is it...spamming and if the OP is to be quoted, ripping off people.

Not marketing I want to be involved in no.

Wtf would I?

I seem to remember you loving these same marketers when they were contributing to your sale to help you raise money...

Excuse me? I never KNEW many of them.
I was grateful for the help I had and still am, it don't mean you can shit on people and its all ok cos they may have helped in the past somewhere... does it?

This one I like too:

NOW who is getting personal...

Seems you can give it much better than take it

I said that cos YOU was getting personal yet trying to say I was getting personal, you BEING the hypocrite. Nothing changed that.
You were a hypocrite there, re read it...

I can take far MORE than I could ever dish out.
You have no idea mate.
Grow up with a disability and then you may have an idea.

You have NO idea why I got kicked out from warriors, it was because of ONE mod and that mod is an arse-hole?.
I never broke ONE rule.

It takes more than one mod to have you N/A'd. Your reputation for running rough-shod over people was stuff of legend on that forum. Again, well-documented. Don't insult people's intelligence. Many people on this board also frequent THAT one.

AND??

You say it like yu are In the club lol... running roughshod??

You mean being straight and honest, cutting theought the arse licking and bullshit?

Besides, I know most of the former mods of there...believe me - I know more than you think

WHO cares who you know or whatever? You thought I was a mod, so clearly not that much.

Come to think of it, I remember Michael Green telling you to tone it down on HIS board on more than one occassion...

Really??

Now listen to you?

Please don't start attacking me personaly, you dont KNOW me personally.

Um...yes I do.

You seem to forget the personal help I gave you when you needed it most. Let me refresh your memory of the free reseller hosting I gave you for more than a year, as well as promoting the same sale I spoke of above. As well as all the help I gave installing scripts on your sites, etc.

I have not forgot anything, you seem t think you can throw this in here because now you are trying to make ME look bad?

And you wrote me plenty of IM's and emails regarding your sons. And I did the same about MY sons, as we seemed to have much in common on that subject.

Yeah, that was great, we shared PERSONAL emails...

These are the reasons I used to defend you when your rough-shod posts got the better of you.

They didn't get the better of me, they just pissed off a mod who didn't like it.
I know I aint perfect, BUT I don't CLAIM to be either.

Finally, yes - I am a worshipper - of my family.

THEY are the ONLY ones you should worship...

I said it before and I will say it again...Mike is a personal friend, and was WAY before I started working for him.  He helped me in the same way I helped you. In fact, if it WASN'T for his help, I would not have been ABLE to help you.

Fair enough, doesn't mean I have to love the guy does it, or let it go when i get spammed or whatever.
I thought he was a smart bloke to do what he was doing at the start, but then... things changed INCLUDING my opinion.
I am allowed to do that mate.

The difference here is my appreciation for the help of others remains.

You saying i don't appreciate what you did?
I DO, I have never given you the immpression I don't, you just threw it up here.

The difference is I try very hard not to be a negative person - even if I dislike someone. It speaks more of your own personal character when you can jump on a forum and cut people down.

Like you do when someone post about Mike?

I ain't negative, it's so EASY for people likeYOU to say that crap!

I don't have any intention of jumping on anyone, just telling it like it is.

Quite frankly, if you get "offended" at an errant email (which I am willing to bet that if you provide me with the email address in question, I would find that you subscribed AND confirmed...) then you obviously are EASILY offended - or have WAY too much time on your hands.

DO you read things?

It's beside the point whether I get "offended", I was fine until I TRIED to get off his list, should be easy...so wtf wasn't it??

Listening to you there you make it sound like I asked for it.
You clearly dont get it Mike.

Well, I said I wouldn't continue and I did - I'm sure there will be a comment on that too - But alas, it's time to celebrate my son's fifth birthday. We're having a "Pirate Themed" party today and I have to go bury the treasure chest.

Peace.

[/quote]

Happy birthday to your son...

Peace to you too.

GET off here and go enjoy it he matters more than Mike F or even ME!

[Mike Ambrosio]

Well, I guess we have different viewpoints, so I will agree to disagree with you and move on.

GET off here and go enjoy it he matters more than Mike F or even ME!

No truer words were ever spoken, my friend!

Thanks for the rousing debate.  I was getting bored working on my new project

Pary time!

Mike

[Robsellen]

Deal.

That is the truth eh mike.

They are the most important ones, it's the recent issues my family went through that made me cut through all this bullshit when I got back online.
Far to much of it.

Go enjoy the party...and let him win at least ONE game !!

[GAVSTER]

Hi, could you just get yor bank/ credit card company to stop future payments ?
Please don't get angry if it's a stupid suggestion.
I am sure you will get your refund soon.
Best wishes, Gav

[justme]

It seems as if they may be waiting for the trial period to end to bill my card the monthly fees for both services

That is exactly what they did to a friend of mine. The cancellation request went in several days before the new billing would have occured, but they didn't respond until AFTER she was billed again. Then when she requested a refund of the new charge because she had asked to cancel BEFORE the billing, they refused to give her the refund.

Not a good way to do business!

[32paul52]

A rousing discussion with many good points!

I think the best thing to do when you are not treated as you wanted is as follows:

1.  Get a refund- Go to the bank or go around the system has in place, if you are not getting results.
2.  Don't buy any more products from them- and advise friends of the experience you had (using facts ONLY)
3.  Move on as quick as possible - otherwise you get stuck in time wasting activities
4.  Learn from it -  I have the concept of believe in everybody- rely on no-one

Paul

[Mike Ambrosio]

A rousing discussion with many good points!

I think the best thing to do when you are not treated as you wanted is as follows:

1.  Get a refund- Go to the bank or go around the system has in place, if you are not getting results.
2.  Don't buy any more products from them- and advise friends of the experience you had (using facts ONLY)
3.  Move on as quick as possible - otherwise you get stuck in time wasting activities
4.  Learn from it -  I have the concept of believe in everybody- rely on no-one

Paul

This is good advice. I only wish people who have good experiences were as quick to leave fervent feedback as those who have bad. Unfortunately, it's not usually the case.

I try to give excellent feedback whenever I can. For example, my wife and I just leased our third Honda in a row from the same dealership. I made it a point to do things like:

- fill out their customer satisfaction survey
- tell my friends and family
- left positive feedback on some websites dedicated to Hondas as well as independent review sites.

Feedback and reviews work MUCH better when both sides leave feedback. There are many good products and services out there that have things go wrong. But when only the negative stuff surfaces, it leaves an unfinished image.

Such as business...just need to keep trying your best to improve your service, etc.

Mike

[Mike1MB]

Ok I just had to jump in here.

1.  I'm surprised to see this kind of bickering, flaming etc.  going on here.  Nobody makes money from it! Lisa was following this discussion and I guess she got tired of it, but not enough to delete all the garbage.

2.  to the person asking for the advice originally, I'd suggest using Twitter to contact Mike F.  I know he's ther and regularly, just follow him and when you see him Tweeting, Tweet back, perhaps several times if 1 doesn't work. 

Let's all get back to work, and make money.

Mike

[Lisa Preston]

Hey, Mike1MB -

1. Don't be surprised - this IS the "rants" section, after all. Everyone has challenges, everyone needs the opportunity to vent... and there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do it here.

You're right - I do follow along, but don't often get caught up in it if it doesn't affect me personally.

And our policy on this board is that WE DO NOT DELETE POSTS. Not unless they are blatant SPAM, or a "drive by" ad, or someone new just posting to push their product. We take censorship very seriously, and we simply won't stifle anyone, right or wrong.

If anyone wishes to answer a post to dispute an accusation, they are free to do so.

2. Using Twitter to contact Mike for support is NOT a good idea. He has a support system in place to deal with issues. When he's on Twitter, he's there to be "social". Oh, and when the OP was originally posted, there was no way to reach Mike in this fashion... he has only recently unprotected his twitter stream.

MikeMB1, please don't get us confused with the WF. We don't delete posts. We don't hold hands and sing Kumbaya... and if someone says something negative, it stays put.  If it causes us (admins and mods) a little more work to stay on top of things, that's ok. We really want people to be able to talk to one another, good and bad.

Have a great day!

Lisa

[Robsellen]

Hey, Mike1MB -

1. Don't be surprised - this IS the "rants" section, after all. Everyone has challenges, everyone needs the opportunity to vent... and there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do it here.

How did you miss that Mike.

MikeMB1, please don't get us confused with the WF. We don't delete posts. We don't hold hands and sing Kumbaya... and if someone says something negative, it stays put.  If it causes us (admins and mods) a little more work to stay on top of things, that's ok. We really want people to be able to talk to one another, good and bad.

Great eh....