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[MarketingJunkie]

Wow, impressive, you learned how to type a name into your scanning software.

Ah, the trolls are out in force.

Folks. I don't fake photoshop stuff (like the gurus do)...

... All you have to do is download the PDF here:
http://stompednet.com/stompernet-lawsuit.pdf

Then open it open in Adobe Reader like so:

File > Properties

And bingo -- you see that the person who "leaked" the lawsuit PDF seems to be the exact same person who is IN the lawsuit - Mr. Andrew Jenkins. Oops. Major goof, eh?

This just gets crazier and crazier.
What's the "next shoe to drop" (as the good Masons like to say)?

[TruthBeTold]

Riiiiight. . .  one day you're on the Warrior Forum hijacking threads, threatening to publish this "big discovery" of yours the next day.  The next day, it's published.

So, which is more likely?

1) That you did exactly what you said you were going to do on the Warrior Forum. . .  that YOU stuck "Andrew Jenkins" in the author field of the PDF that YOU put up on the website that YOU set up right after you got banned from the Warrior Forum.
or
2) Andy Jenkins, who wasn't interested in this being public at all one day, decided to publish it the next day, and make it LOOK like you did it. . .

Right.

I mean, it probably made sense at the time, to use the name that's on the document. . .  not a name that the person you're attacking actually uses, unless he's filing some stuff in court and has to, but I'm sure it seemed really clever at the time.

Of course, it probably also seemed like the anonymity was going to hold up too.

[MarketingJunkie]

Riiiiight. . .  one day you're on the Warrior Forum hijacking threads, threatening to publish this "big discovery" of yours the next day.  The next day, it's published.

So, which is more likely?

1) That you did exactly what you said you were going to do on the Warrior Forum. . .  that YOU stuck "Andrew Jenkins" in the author field of the PDF that YOU put up on the website that YOU set up right after you got banned from the Warrior Forum.
or
2) Andy Jenkins, who wasn't interested in this being public at all one day, decided to publish it the next day, and make it LOOK like you did it. . .

Right.

I mean, it probably made sense at the time, to use the name that's on the document. . .  not a name that the person you're attacking actually uses, unless he's filing some stuff in court and has to, but I'm sure it seemed really clever at the time.

Of course, it probably also seemed like the anonymity was going to hold up too.

I swear on my 2 children's testicles I'm not the owner of this StompedNet website. And may I, my wife, and my 2 children die violent deaths if I'm the owner of that site. I have nothing at all to worry about as I'm not the owner.

My bombshell was that employees of StomperNet haven't been paid in months AND StomperNet is indeed in receivership status... employees have been given IOUs in lieu of payment. But when reading the lawsuit PDF, Andy gives us verification of what I already knew privately. That was my bombshell.

Funny how the Warrior Forum is deleting this news as soon as it pops up... and no, it's not me posting there -- I've been banned. I can only view.

And I can't wait to find out who "TruthBeTold" is. Something tells me there's an interesting connection to "Andy."

[TruthBeTold]

Well Markus, after promising to publish proof of your big discovery yesterday, what happened was you started promoting this web site that you say isn't yours, trying to blame it on two other people so far (first Mike, then Andy), and no proof of these new claims. So, did you change your mind?

[MarketingJunkie]

Well Markus, after promising to publish proof of your big discovery yesterday, what happened was you started promoting this web site that you say isn't yours, trying to blame it on two other people so far (first Mike, then Andy), and no proof of these new claims. So, did you change your mind?

Please do this...

... Ask Mike Young (the guy who edited the original post here) to confirm/deny if I'm the original poster. He knows who the original poster is -- I GUARANTEE it. 100%.

I have no skin in this game. In fact this is a HUGE risk to me (I got slammed when I revealed John Reese as a fraud) AND I get nothing out of this as you won't see me linking to my site from this...

... But someone has to expose these frauds. These frauds are KILLING our business. Legitimate infroproduct sellers are getting killed with the trust issue.

It makes me sick to know that every single person I looked up to as a success was merely faking it all of this time. I literally have no one to look up to these days. Not a single person.

You can shoot the messenger here... I'm comforted to know (from the phone calls and private messages) that this is appreciated.

By the way TruthBeTold... why don't you tell us who you really are?

[TruthBeTold]

So, in other words... there won't be any proof forthcoming to back up these new claims of yours. But that's perfectly understandable, since only things that are actually true can be proved.

The only question in my mind is whether you believe this stuff, or merely think you can get away with it.

[TruthBeTold]

Check your PMs, Markus. 

[Davet]

Well
this is the hotest thing that has happened on this forum since Mark Joyner made an appearance.
When that happened people went bananas.

Although this time it seems that only the marketing junkie and truth be told are going bananas. He he

quote from marketing junkie:

... But someone has to expose these frauds. These frauds are KILLING our business. Legitimate infroproduct sellers are getting killed with the trust issue.
End of quote

When the Beatles broke up did rock and roll go down the tubes ?

Quote from marketing junkie:

It makes me sick to know that every single person I looked up to as a success was merely faking it all of this time. I literally have no one to look up to these days. Not a single person.

End of quote

Why marketing junkie do you feel compelled to look up to someone ?

And for crying out loud why do you feel compelled to look up to gurus of all people ?

Don't you know by now that they only want to make millions ?
Excuse me...billions !

And they want to make it off of people like you who look up to them.
You don't need gurus to look up to.
All you need is yourself.
Take for what it is worth or leave it and look for someone else
to let you down.

Personally...I don't care who is suing who for what ever.
I got my own problems to deal with.
I don't have the time nor the desire to smell blood.

I really hope that stompernet survives this debacle.
I wish them all well.
I learned alot from them.

Best regards
Dave Trevino

[Mike Young]

Ask Mike Young (the guy who edited the original post here) to confirm/deny if I'm the original poster. He knows who the original poster is -- I GUARANTEE it. 100%

I can confirm that Markus is not the original poster.

I suspect, but cannot confirm, that TruthBeTold is StomperNet's Dan Thies.

I have no comment on the underlying lawsuit at this time.

I have no comment on the allegations that StomperNet is in receivership.

Best wishes,

-Mike

[MarketingJunkie]

Ask Mike Young (the guy who edited the original post here) to confirm/deny if I'm the original poster. He knows who the original poster is -- I GUARANTEE it. 100%

I can confirm that Markus is not the original poster.

I suspect, but cannot confirm, that TruthBeTold is StomperNet's Dan Thies.

I have no comment on the underlying lawsuit at this time.

I have no comment on the allegations that StomperNet is in receivership.

Best wishes,

-Mike

Yes, I can tell you with 99.99% certainty that TruthBeTold is Dan Thies. It all makes sense now...

... Dan came to Andy Jenkins' rescue on that Warrior Forum thread that was quickly deleted after I asked (3 times) about StomperNet being in receivership.

While I appreciate coming to a friend's aid, lying about allegations and shooting the messenger is just low.

Unfortunately, I'm getting a lot of kudos about revealing what's really going on via private message and phone calls and emails. And while that's great, it would be better if you just posted your thoughts in this post...

... Having me be the only poster here lets these psychopaths get away with their lies via the Delphi Technique.

The Delphi Technique was originally developed by the Rand Corporation for the Polaris Missile Project, where it was used to forecast war strike scenarios and how to best react to them.

Today, the same Delphi Technique is used to basically scare off people from posting in message boards. You get a flurry of anonymous posters making the accuser (that would be me) sound like a complete loon... a kook. Subconsciously, you would avoid posting because doing so was a risk to your ego... your opinion would be seen as in the minority... you might even be tagged as a "crazy conspiracy theorist."  And since most people hate pain and conflict, it would be easier to just move on. And when you move on, the psychopaths win.

This has been happening for many years. And this is EXACTLY why the "gurus" put out crap... because they can... and because you don't complain about it. These guys know this and put out total nonsense -- it's hard to blame them as you're enabling them to do so. You keep buying their lies.

It was Hitler who suggested giving us The Big Lie...

... The Big Lie, first coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf, was made famous by Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister for the Third Reich...

... The idea was simple enough:
Tell a whopper (the larger the better) often enough and most people will come to accept it as the truth.

That's what the "gurus" are giving us -- The Big Lie.

Back to the Delphi Technique:
Paul Myers at the Warrior Forum was the king of the Delphi Technique.  Any time I'd question a guru in a forum, I knew Paul Myers would rush to the scene defending the guru in less than an hour... sometimes minutes. He was the go-to guy when it came to using the Delphi Technique to protect his buddies.

It doesn't have to be this way.

Franklin D. Roosevelt is famous for saying, "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." So true. And there's nothing scary about posting your opinion on message boards about wrongdoing.

The good news is people are waking up. In that Warrior Forum post that got deleted (that started this discussion), there was an angry mob... I couldn't believe it... dozens and dozens of people breaking through the Delphi Technique to reveal these "shovel sellers" for who they are.

If I could ask a small favor... instead of thanking me privately, could you instead post your thoughts here.

That's how we force these guys to do the right thing.

[MarketingJunkie]

Take a look at this post, folks:
http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/114717-listbuilding-club-tellman-knudson.html

But hurry... you know that link is going to get deleted soon.

I'm seeing more and more of this.

People are finally breaking through the Delphi Technique.

(By the way, did you notice who promotes Tellman? Yep, StomperNet.)

[TruthBeTold]

I offered to set you straight. It's up to you now.

[MarketingJunkie]

I offered to set you straight. It's up to you now.

I just got off a Yahoo chat with TruthBeTold.

He set me straight alright:

[10:52] tardisrider65: Same day Jenkins filed the suit you posted on behalf of stompernet, Fallon filed seeking to have a receiver appointed. Receiver was appointed, forcing negotiations.

So, once again we're being lied to here folks.

By the way, TruthBeTold/tardisrider65 continues to say I'm the one who posted the PDF. I didn't. I've got 1,000 better uses of my time.

And for the record, I give permission to TruthBeTold/tardisrider65 to post any or all of the chat we just had without editing.

[DennisMurphy]

Given the ease of access to information on the internet, it was not hard to find the lawsuit, so it's a bit strange that the parties involved were pretending that it did not exist and making fun of or ganging up on those who said it did.

When confronted, it makes much more sense to acknowledge it's existence, say that it's been worked out between the parties involved, and that you're now moving forward.  End of discussion. 

That way, people won't feel lied to, and won't feel the need to start digging around to see if there is a bigger reasons why the parties involved are lying about it, whether it be out of general curiosity or a specific reason.

And you don't lose credibility for not only lying about it, but for also trying to make others look stupid for asking about it. 

In fact, if you are honest and upfront about it, chances are I trust you even more now.  And that's without needing an explanation of the lawsuit - just acknowledging it exists, saying it's behind you and moving forward is enough for most.  That's PR 101.

Just some thoughts.

Dennis

PS - The cover up is always worse than the crime.

[SaltyDroid]

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Hello Ladies.

Dear Brad & Andy ::

Long have you each plotted against me {for separate bastard reasons}.  What a shame that all of your plots SUCKED. 

Now I plot against you :: HeadsUp! :: Cause my plots don't suck.

Kisses.

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