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[xblade]

Was there an element of 'either you buy me out or I will sue you'?

I think the element was "I'll buy you out if you drop the lawsuit".  They can spin as they please, but it seems fairly obvious at this point that that's what happened.  Even if it didn't evolve in quite that way, I'm pretty sure there was more to it than simply Andy was just ready for a change.  Suing a partner tends to make for an unpleasant work environment.

It's too bad, really.  Stompernet was one of the few groups I respected.  It sucks to learn that much of it was smoke and mirrors.  If I were a gambling man, I'd bet Stompernet will be long gone by this time next year.  Will be interested to see what the big 9/9 deal is, but there's no way I'll be buying now. 

On a side note, Commission Blueprint 2. 0 launches the same day. 

[jasonmoffatt]

WARNING: I'm part of the Delphi Technique Gang, so take what I say with a mountain of salt.

I had lunch with Andy the other day and he seemed to harbor no ill will towards Brad and only wished him the best.  From our many conversations on the topic, I truly believe him.

I have to admit that Markus does make for good reading though.  It's kinda like having a wacko on Art Bell's radio show late at night.

Chupacobra anyone?

[xblade]

Dude, you're in Kalifornia. . . . . I'd think you'd tune in to Coast to Coast for a little normalcy.

[JamesBlackLive]

Amazing, absolutely amazing.

The more I read, the more I learn, the more I
don't know who to trust.  I guess everyone has
dirt in their past, learned how to cover the dirt
in their present, or at least try to. 

And what will the dirt of the future bring?

I don't have my own product yet, so who's is
worthy enough to promote? That's a good one.

Won't know till the dirt comes out I guess.

I do appreciate the eye opening material and
Markus' wail on The Delphi Technique.

Chupacobra indeed, my money is on Santa Clause

Black. . .  James Black

[tradermike1999]

This is pretty amusing.       I never heard of the "delphic technique" before, but in his email Markus described it like this:

"Today, the same Delphi Technique is used to basically scare off people from posting in message boards.      You get a flurry of anonymous posters making the accuser (that would be me) sound like a complete loon.     .     .      a kook.      Subconsciously, you would avoid posting because doing so was a risk to your ego.     .     .      your opinion would be seen as in the minority.     .     .      you might even be tagged as a "crazy conspiracy theorist.     "  And since most people hate pain and conflict, it would be easier to just move on.      And when you move on, the psychopaths win.     "

Then Moffatt posts this - doing exactly what was described - deriding him as a conspiracy nut -

"I'm part of the Delphi Technique Gang, so take what I say with a mountain of salt.     

I had lunch with Andy the other day and he seemed to harbor no ill will towards Brad and only wished him the best.       From our many conversations on the topic, I truly believe him.     

I have to admit that Markus does make for good reading though.       It's kinda like having a wacko on Art Bell's radio show late at night.      "


It would make sense for him to have no ill will NOW with FAllon.       He left and moved to San Diego and has probably closed the Stompernet chapter in his life so dwelling on it in a  nagetive way wouldn't do him any good.       He wants to move on to new things - indeed is doing that.       But I doubt a few monts ago he had no "ill will" to him.       I know I don't go around issuing lawsuits against people I am friends with or like.     nor is it something I've ever used as a negotiating tactic either if you want to imagine or spin things as much as possible for Mr.     Fallon.   

In my book as somoene who is a consumer of IM products I look to the people who put out good information and only recomend good information.    Moffatt does that in my book.    Last year when Fallon formed his arbitrage conspiray he creatd crap and it was dissapointing to see so many marketers get on board.    I was glad to see that Andy didn't.     Those that gave video testimonials - acting as affiliates - and not disclosing it - crossed the line and I got off of their lists.   So in my book from the perspective as a consumer Andy is one of the good guys.

You can figure out who you can trust and who you can't by their actions.    And there is a lot of total CRAP in this IM market, just learn to stay away from - who produces crap and who peddles it - and does anything for a dollar.    Some will do anything to get in the right group. 

[tradermike1999]

One other note - this "delphic technique" is something that really goes on. 

Last year in December the most active thread on warriorforum was one about the arbitrage conspiracy.    I wrote many posts about how the promotion was misleading and telling people not to buy it.    I thought the product was crap and it was being promoted unethically. 

One of the people that argued against me tried to dominate the thread and had an affilaite link for arbitrage in his signature file.    It was never taken away and the warrior forum people let it go even though it was against their "rules". 

He launched personal attacks against me - saying I was crazy and that I just didn't believe in myself and that's why I didn't like the product and was trying to talk against it, was an IM loser and was trying to bring others down.    That was his main argument - just trying to distract people from how crappy the thing was and that he was a paid pimp for the product.    If he wasn't a paid affiliate he probably never would have posted anything about it.    He has been well rewarded and moved up in the IM circles for his work. 

Truth is I'm not in the IM niche, but I probably make more money in a year on the internet than 99% of the name IM marketerss on the internet.    I make more money than they probably actually collect on their launches as profit and I am almost certain I make more money than this guy attacking me does.    So his personal attacks were a total joke.    I don't teach people how to generate traffic I generate traffic and actually make money from it.    I only knew about this IM niche a year and a half ago and have learned a lot from the courses I've bought and from just watching it as someone on the outside. 

But that is the main line of defense these IM guys have when they get in a corner.    And you see over and over again on these threads.    Even sometimes from the best of them, unfortunately, si Jasson's attack was dissapointing.    But I am not part of any IM group, have no IM buddies, because I'm not a part of the IM niche.    So I have no ax to grind, no people to keep happy or people I'm trying to get in with.    And I can't be inimidated. 

 

[jasonmoffatt]

Hey TraderMike,

The difference is, I'm not a "anonymous poster". 

I'm pretty wide open with just about everything.   I offer transparency on a level that most only talk about.   And like many of you, all I really care about is the truth (at least my side of it) :). 

Thanks for the compliment about my integrity in products.  

I too was at the Arbitrage Conspiracy seminar in Vegas that all the gurus were shuttled in to see.   I'd spoke with Aymen about 10 times before that as well.   I also, did not promote the launch because I didn't think it was a good fit for my people. 

My interest is in the good will of the people as well, although we all go about showing it in different ways. 

My jab at Marcus is because he is a serial antagonist who repeatedly tries to topple people before knowing the whole story.   I do believe he's trying to do good, but he's not "in the know" enough to have all the details. 

But his attempts are always amusing and entertaining in that train wreck sort of way. 

[xblade]

If Janeen is Andy's soulmate of the past 3 years, what happened to Audrey, his business partner who I thought was his wife? Was that a bogus back story too? You never hear Andy mention those non-Stomper businesses(tapestries, swords, etc) these days, which is interesting since they were his bread and butter before Stompernet came along, or so we were led to believe. I'd think a few businesses turning over a few million dollars between them each year would keep him a little busy, yet it's like they never existed now. Did they ever....I mean in the capacity that folks were led to believe they did?

[jasonmoffatt]

This is pretty amusing.        I never heard of the "delphic technique" before, but in his email Markus described it like this:

"Today, the same Delphi Technique is used to basically scare off people from posting in message boards.       You get a flurry of anonymous posters making the accuser (that would be me) sound like a complete loon.      .      .       a kook.       Subconsciously, you would avoid posting because doing so was a risk to your ego.      .      .       your opinion would be seen as in the minority.      .      .       you might even be tagged as a "crazy conspiracy theorist.      "  And since most people hate pain and conflict, it would be easier to just move on.       And when you move on, the psychopaths win.      "

Hmmm, that doesn't sound anything like. . .

xblade, jamesblacklive, investigator, outdoor, dennismurphy, saltydroid, stompednet, SimonJCP

All nobody's or 1st time posters!

Hmmm.

Even a drunk retard retard blinded from birth could see something fishy here.

I'm out.  Have a good day all.


(edit) PS: Probably fair to let Andy have his say...

http://www.andyjenkinsblog.com/2009/08/25/stompernet-controversy/

[tradermike1999]

I'm pretty wide open with just about everything.    I offer transparency on a level that most only talk about.    And like many of you, all I really care about is the truth (at least my side of it) :).  

Think that's pretty obvious!  And awesome.  - Mike

[DanThies]

It's amazing how many new members have signed up, just to participate in this conversation.

Audrey still operates those stores on a day to day basis, and is a member of the StomperNet faculty.  Andy doesn't operate those stores on a day to day basis, and isn't a member of the StomperNet faculty.  Please update your scorecards accordingly.

[Ben]

Dan,

Many people just lurk until there is something worth posting about.  This is one of those times.  It happens in lots of forums, not just this one.

Stompernet, and their lack of disclosure about this lawsuit, is causing controversy and so people are talking about it.

I now see that Andy has put something on his blog about this so I will read it. 

I don't see the need for your "it's amazing how many new members etc" as you are obviously trying to prove a point that is pretty much redundant.  If these new members are the same person then I'm sure the moderators will delete their posts.  If not, well, someone's finally come up with some gossip worth talking about and there's a queue of new members signing up to talk about it.

I've seen the "it's amazing" trick used many times before, usually in the Warrior Forum and usually by scumbag marketers trying to detract from complaints about their products.  I do have one particular Atlanta-based marketer in mind when I say that but I won't name him here just in case. 

Put it this way, you don't want to be compared to him so let's have less of the "it's amazing" posts shall we?

[Investigator]

After reading Andy's blog I wish to apologize to Andy for suggesting he lied, I no longer think that is the case and as far as this thread is concerned I intend riding off into the sunset - lesson learnt. 

The words of my mother are ringing in my ears, if you can't say something positive, don't say anything at all.

Sorry to all concerned - I apologize.  The words in the blog that went along the lines of 'being negative doesn't make you money' or similar resonated with me, so it's back to + again.


 

[tradermike1999]

I'd suggest reading Andy's blog post very carefully.  You have to read it more than once to really try to get a clear picture of what he is saying, because it is very complicated.  I'd read it more than once before drawing any conclusions.  I think you'll find a different impression on a second reading.

Here is my conclusion and why your first reading is probably wrong - mine was:

http://marketingmoneyonline.com/?p=59

[JamesBlackLive]

Thanks to Moffatt for the link, clears things up a bit, well a lot,
and I think the thought of conspiracy is put to rest.

Damnit, I have to go tell my wife I'm a nobody.

Black. . .  James Black