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[Chris Lockwood]

"they have a job to do you don't understand."

Isn't that rather presumptuous, assuming he doesn't understand it? Let's not make it sound like serving in a war or something.

[Dave Zan]

I've actually had a mod at the Warrior Forum private message me and tell me the thread was deleted because he didn't like me.

Did you PM Allen or any of the other mods about that?

[Lisa Preston]

I did!
I PM'ed Allen and the mods, asking for a reason for the deletion of the posts/thread... (was a lively and intelligent discussion, with many different points of view - flames within half an hour!)
It took about 6 tries before someone finally got back to me, and the reply was extremely vague. I was told that Allen doesn't concern himself with the day-to-day running of the forum, and he relies on the mods to do what they feel is best.
A mod replied, saying that he wasn't the one who deleted it, but he looked at the thread and said because it was becoming controversial it got deleted, so no fights would start. He said that they like to keep everything very positive.
Okay... 
Well, that's entirely up to Allen! Although I prefer the education of a lively discussion, I'm sure that Allen has dealt with his share and just said "enough". He's established; people visit simply from habit now... he runs the board from a distance, makes good bank... he can do what he likes. Same as Tony. 

[MarketingJunkie]

I've actually had a mod at the Warrior Forum private message me and tell me the thread was deleted because he didn't like me.

Did you PM Allen or any of the other mods about that?

I stopped PMing Alan Says after so many attempts.

I can take a hint.

Actually, of more concern to me is why this thread was "deleted" by Warrior/Ablake moderator Terry Crim:
http://ablakeforum.com/index.php/topic,822.0.html

[Tony Blake]

Markus...

It wasn't deleted... as you can tell as this is the same thread as before...

It was just moved to the rants section from the general marketing section as we felt that is where it fit better...

Terry was just making a joke about deleting it considering that the thread was about deleted Warrior threads, and because he's also a Warrior mod (albeit in a very limited capacity)...

Humor can be a hard thing to convey sometimes... especially when we take ourselves too seriously...

Success!!!

Tony Blake
Marketing Mindreader™
New Media/Content2.0™ Maven
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[Mike Hill]

There's nothing more frustrating than to have an incredible post deleted... without reason... by following all the rules...

... My guess is most deleted posts at the Warrior Forum conflict with the moderator -- not the board rules. In other words, the moderator is deleting posts when a new post offers a free solution (compared to a paid solution from one of their buddies within their inner circle ).

That's the real reason most posts are deleted... it has nothing to do with breaking rules or posting spam.

Yes, The Warrior Forum has every right to delete as they please. But we have every right to complain about it and let others know they're not alone when their great posts are deleted.

By the way, every single "Warrior" I've spoken with (either by Skype, private message, or over the phone) admits their frustration with deleted posts at the Warrior Forum. Every single one -- I know, because it's the first thing I always ask. They all say the same thing, "I don't know why my post was deleted... I gave one of my best strategies ever."

By the way, I'm not sure why you think it's hasslin' a mod -- plus, wouldn't Alan Says (owner of the Warrior Forum) LOVE the idea -- it's free publicity for him. What's he worried about?

I hear ya... I ran a Free WSO and a marketer tried to have it banned because the information was killer and they were upset I was giving it away. It totally blew away anything they ever offered and they always charged for things...

Mike Hill

[John Ritz]

A mod replied, saying that he wasn't the one who deleted it, but he looked at the thread and said because it was becoming controversial it got deleted, so no fights would start. He said that they like to keep everything very positive.

Yeah, that's what locking threads are for, not deleting them outright.

[Martin Luxton]

Is it always the Mods who delete a thread? A couple of times I have seen a great thread disappear and then appear as the OP's product.

The other day I accidentally deleted one of my own threads.  I realized the subject line wasn't good so I edited it - Bye Bye thread  :-[

Martin

[zerofill]

Hehe. . . If I post something long. . . I save it before I post it.  Then if it gets deleted. . . I can post it again later.  Or atleast I still have what I wrote.  LOL. . .
There are many threads that get deleted for no reason there.  I started to think they needed to delete them to keep that old asp snitz forum running.  I think I get ODBC database errors over there like 5 times a day.  I can understand moving things that are not correct for the category they are in.  I run a forum thats not marketing related.  We don't delete posts unless they are spam.  We move them to a mod/admin only category called "to be decided. " Then all the mods and admin can look at the post first.  Because more than one person helps the final decision factor.

[Davet]

I'm living proof that this forum is very tolerant. When  some of my post
get deleted here you don't hear me complaining.

Hey, if I don't like it I can go start a blog and write what ever I want.

The only proplem with that is, if I get a following, they will be like
flies attracted to sh-t !

Who wants that ?

Regard the Best
DaveT

[Tony Blake]

DaveT...

The only time we have removed your posts is when they've been of the "out of left field, scratching your head, nonsensical musings with no relevance to what was previously posted or to the starting of a new thread" kind... If they are cogent, intelligent posts that either create a new topic worth discussion or add to an already existing thread with commentary worth reading we don't touch them... This doesn't mean we don't have a sense of humor (I mean, come on, look who runs this place! ) or don't want something fun every once in awhile... but sometimes it takes me awhile to try to decipher what you're even talking about! 

Some examples of your most recently removed posts are:

"This just in from Cyber Space News....... I have some rather disturbing

news ! It's seems that DaveT has got himself lost in the Ablake Zone!!!!

The poor sap had it coming, he stands a better chance of being found if he were lost in the Bermuda Triangle !

All we can say is, Good luck trying to find him.

Might as well write his obituary now.

End of News......wait a minute.......wait a minute......this just in .......we have his grieving family members to say a few words..... his daughter Sarah.....Daddy come back ! You need to make a cell phone payment........his 8 year old son Dave Jr......Waaaaa ! I want my daddy ! His grieving wife Lulu......A mi no me engania, esta con otra vieja !

Hmmm, thats it folks End of News......wait a minute .....wait a minute.....more breaking news !

It seems that their is some celebrating over at the Ablake Forum.....Hmmmm.

End of News Flash"

Or

"What is this place ? Where did everybody go ? I must be in the .........Ablake Zone ! A place where time is not now, a place where you are seen and not seen, a place where people disappear too, where you are heard and not heard at the same time that is not now.

I'm somewhere in the deepest , secrete and not so secrete chamber of the Ablake Forum......can anyone hear me ? Hello.......can anyone see me ?

Wait a minute, this is a place in the Ablake Forum where no one can hear me or see me. At least not the masses of mankind.

I can say what I want without fear, I'm free to express what ever I want.......HEY FELLAS.... Come back ! We can make fun of the Gurus all we want here !

This is a test....testing.....testing

This is not a test.......not testing........not testing

This is a mate call........Moooo.....moooo

For the first time in my existence I am truly FREE !

Wait a minute, I am not truly free, I'm surrounded by the walls the ......ABLAKE.ZONE !

Let me out ! Let me out !........I want to be FREE ! FREEDOM ! I MUST HAVE FREEDOM !!!!!!!

I'm sorry Gurus ! I'll never tell another Guru joke again.....FORGIVE ME GURU'S !!!!!!!

There comes a time in a mans life when he must have courage and make a stand against all odd's.

This is not such a time.

Regard the Best

DaveT

Hmmm........I wonder what will happen when I push this button ?"

Irregardless... we still love ya DaveT... even if sometimes we think you should be committed...

Success!!!

Tony Blake
The "Oh No, Don't Take me So Frigging Seriously" Marketing Mindreader™
New Media/Content2.0™ Maven
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[Davet]

Tony

I'm so glad that you posted this post to me, sometimes I need a little guidance. Or a lot.
Apparently I only have a vague idea of what the word relevance means.
I promise to look it up in the biggest dictionary I can find.

Now that I know that the Gu.......never mind.

Best Regards

DaveT.

[Floyd Fisher]

Let me give you an example of the frustration of deleted Warrior posts...

... Every Thursday, I have a live call-in broadcast called "Stump Markus". On my broadcast, I regularly feature the best marketing ideas that I stumble upon from the previous week.

One amazing post (from the Warrior Forum) was titled:

13 Things I Learned After 1500 Article Submissions

Now this post was pure GOLD. The poster could have easily sold it for $19 to $49 as an ebook. Instead s/he gave it away.

And on my broadcast, I posted a link to the article at:
http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=241466

So how was the poster rewarded -- the entire thread was deleted. What the F.

As you might imagine, I'm getting a bunch of people asking me to email them a new link if I find this amazing article -- what a pain.

URGGGGGG.

Markus:

That is because according to forum rules, you can't link to it from the outside.

My opinion?  That rule should be done away with.  It was in place because the forum used to be a paid membership (and do I miss those days).

In the meantime, if you have a backup of the post, why not make it an article so it benefits you?

[Robsellen]

Ah, the old warrior deletion problem!

Not to mention makeing people N/A for no real reason, even after 5000 post!

I KNOW what being a mod is about after being one on Micheal Greens forum, so it will be pointless saying I dont understand the goings on behind things, I DO.

I find it to be true it usulally is a mod who "dont like ya" rather than what you post.

Can't see THAT in the rules either! 

I spent alot of time there because I liked it, but since I saw thr true colours of the place I wont be going back.

This place is gonna be alot better over the long run with mods like Lisa, Tony, Dr Mani.

The warriors in my eyes make a mistake deleting great threads, would be far better to just lock them, that way the great content is still there which benefits the forum, even delete the bad post in the thread, then it can't be changed.

It is BAD marketing IMO.
Makes no sense to me what they do anymore.

I gotta admit they have made improvements on the look of the warriors forum now, but already drove the best people out of it so a bit late if you ask me.

The old boys club is exactly what the warriors is.

Look carefully and you can see HOW it happens.

Look carefully and you can see who gets in after a while.

It IS so obvious even by the way they post!

NOTHING anyone says will make me think otherwise, I SAW enough of it over the 5 years to know.

I won't be going back.

Rob

[Terry Crim]

Rob,

Now Allen has done away with having moderators in the way we know and has implemented some programming that now allows EVERYONE on the Warrior Forum to moderate and mark posts for deletion.  Enough people mark the same post and it is automatically removed.

We have already seen people use this to get rid of posts by people they do not like or if something is objectionable to a small few the post can also disappear.  I have been watching this process and it is interesting how people have become more "addicted" to the WF because now they feel a responsibility to keep it on "the right track".

I don't visit as much as I used to.  I usually visit 4 to 5 times a day but here over the last while I have skipped entire days.  Though that is also for ALL forums and online chats. 

There were a few moderators on warriors that took the rules to the Nth degree and gave no warnings. There was also a thick log of people trying to game the system and cheat, lie, steal and in general do bad things to other members or the forum itself.   Typical cons and cheaters etc...
Several of the more active moderators kept on top of these and when they came back squashed them, deleted posts, threads etc..   You, don't see that in the rules anywhere either but for the mods on the Warriors anyone going against the rules or trying to abuse the forum, especially ones with a history they are relentless to keep them off it.

With name changes, ip proxies and several accounts it was full time job to keep it clean. Unfortunately for these people when the few that did see the light and started to change their ways the Mods still squashed them.  Lots of complaints and squeeling about that BUT the story behind it was never told so most people just put it on to overzealous mods without knowing that this person they defended had or was also using multiple accounts to con and screw over members and just did it to get attention, support and draw more victims to them.  That is one thing you also do NOT see in the rules though for the rules that are there is why they are.

BUT to get back to your post.  YES, there have been several moderators that took it upon themselves to delete peoples posts and even those they didn't like JUST because...

Though you also find that in MOST active forums with more than a few moderators on guard.  I found it really interesting when some of the people that got kicked out of Warriors. I am not talking about a few posts that got deleted, even some of my posts were removed and I was a moderator at the time.. LOL
I was talking about the people that got N/A for screwing over people on warriors, and they migrated over to other forums and a few even got those forum owners to make them a mod.  I found it really interesting that after awhile some of these "mods" were not only not a mod but were also banned from that forum as well...   Wonder why?   

Unfortunately forum owners don't talk to each other very much and pass info back and forth as to who is nasty and actively conning.  Though it happens at times.

Here on ESF we don't mess around when it comes to the "Bad Guys" but we also do not overly wield the mod stick and we let people say what they want.  Within reason of course. 

On Warriors it got really sophisticated as to how to track people including post analysis and writing style in combination with IP and how they used words.  If posts were made that matched any of the known "Bad Guys" they were deleted.  Though some mods just went after every single little violation and just deleted posts which for most people would be considered no reason.  I never went that far but now with the new change where EVERYONE is a moderator things are getting more...  well, with EVERYONE able to police you know what happens and from what I have seen people are being targeted out even more so now and retaliations in return...  Interesting watching it but I don't really pay attention now.  Though there are now several posts over there about what your role is and people coming down on other members publically. 

We won't be doing anything like that here and for the most part it is night and day if you compare the two forums.

I have had the privilege of being moderator twice on Warriors so I know the ends and outs of that forum more than anyone except a select few that have also moderated or Allen and his administrators.  I can tell you the tricks and overzealousness that happens in most forums does NOT happen here and will NEVER happen here. 

Warriors is a force unto itself, a mighty machine, not perfect and broke in places but Allen is doing what he can to correct things.  Though he is also a mad genious who likes to experiment with things and he does use Warriors as his testing ground.  We shall see what happens long term with the Everyone is a Mod thing.

It's brilliant in many ways but dangerous as well so who knows.  We will see what happens.

Personally I just like to talk shop and have in depth conversations.  For the most part, people on Warriors are not interested in really getting into the depths of marketing and instead skirt along the outside of it.  Posts with more meat to them I come here or just talk in skype with my buddies or mentoring mastermind groups.  That happens a lot, people can't get out what they want on most forums so they talk privately.


I ranted in several different directions in this post...    A lot you don't see on forums like Warriors would fill volumes and put things in a totally new perspective and give you more appreciation for the value these forums provide.  There are rogues of course but I think that is part of the reason Allen got rid of the moderators and to make the membership know what it's like he just gave everyone the ability to police.  Here you go...  you don't like the way it is working.. here you do it!   LMAO

OK, enough on Warriors...  It still has a lot of value though really indepth discussions could never be had in the public parts of the forum.  Too many people at different levels and backgrounds, for instance the topics on adult marketing.  The posts on those were amazingly great info on marketing online.  But people did not want anything to do with adult marketing so they got deleted.   For the most part it isn't a single person that gets things removed it is a flood of the community telling what they will and wont accept. 

My 3 or 4 cents on the Warriors and posting on forums to add to whatever else I said here on the subject.


- Terry