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« on: December 10, 2008, 10:15:20 PM »

Hi All,

Here is classic case of how unscrupulous marketers
can violate and manipulate info product licenses.

In this case by Kathe Lucas and Denise Hall.

I have a product - "250+ Top Free Wordpress Plugin
To Multiply Your Web 2.0 Marketing Profits". It came
to my notice yesterday that that they were selling it
violating the license given to them.

Here's the page where they are selling it
http://wackywednesdaysale.com/121008/index.php

(God help you if you buy from this site and from
these people ever! I for one will never, ever have
any more association with them nor will ever trust
their products for genuineness.

Now this forum members can get it free from here
http://www.learnhomebusiness.com/250.htm)

They were selling my product as a pack for much lower
price of $11.95 than the license allows them which
clearly says,


"[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49.97
but not below $49.97."

They were clearly devaluing the product and stealing
others rights who are maintaining it and properly
selling it as it is meant to be.

Well! I contacted them and asked to remove it.
The surprising and unbelievable the reply I got is this.
(Read this again! You will learn what NOT to do)


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Hi Stan,

Kathe here...

Ok, first of all, your license states we can add this product as a bonus and we stated on more than one occasion that it is a bonus, specifically because of the way you wrote the license. Therefore, are not in violation, unless we were passed the wrong license.

Interestingly, you never ask.

I have tweaked the page and maintain it is still a BONUS.

Now, being in the US, AND a licensed private investigator that works with numerous attorneys, I don't take lightly to threats.

If you had taken the time to write the license properly, this would not have been a point of contention. You can't say a product can be sold for "any amount", can be added as a bonus, then contridict yourself by saying you have to charge $49 for it to be added as a bonus? It just doesn't compute.

I'm not going to throw out wild threats here because i think that is totally unprofessional. The prudent thing to do is to approach a fellow marketer (whom by the way is one of the BIGGEST advocates for adhering to licenses on the Internet, and we ALWAYS confirm before we sell products AND when in dispute, approach the product originator), but evidently you don't know that about us.

The IM Cops site belongs to one of the biggest known fraudulent violators in the industry, which only makes sense to make ones self look better, it's important to destroy (or attempt to destroy) other's character. For us to end up as only a third on a site like that at this time is quite suspicious to me and only goes to show me that someone has not thought this business model through sufficiently.

There is no opportunity for rebuttal or process for removal? If I'm white and you say i'm black, does that make me black because YOU SAID SO?

In the USA, that is called 'defamation of character' and is against the law.

We will deal with Scott in another manner.

Back to OUR dispute here...

Again, your license is confusing and since it says we can add the product as a bonus (by the way, we have shown this license to numerous large marketers plus I have sent to my own attorney to view) and they all say the same thing...the license is poorly written and very ambiguous.

So, how can you say you can sell your product for "any price" (meaning one cent?), give away as a bonus, and then say we are in violation of your license?

Please explain that if you would.

To clear any misunderstanding, I have "tweaked" the page to call it out as the BONUS it is...and taken it to the bottom of the page to further reflect that and not make it look like part of the total sale.

I hope this will suffice, but please, come to me professionally, not with idle threats. You don't go around saying you're going to smear someone and expect to be taken seriously as a professional?

I look forward to discussing this further and coming to an amicable agreement (or at least an admittance on your part that this is a bonus?).

Warm Regards,

Kathe Lucas and Team


P.S. Since you know Scott, I would appreciate your cooperation in having us removed from his site since we are NOT in violation.

NOTE: Although we may close your ticket when we respond, if you need further assistance, simply reply to this ticket or open a new ticket: http://www.wackyweekly.com/support.

We attempt to answer all support questions within 24business day hours or less. Thank you for your patience.
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Now,

Here's the terms of license. Tell me. Is this clear or not.
 
[YES] Can resell for any price you want and keep all the money
 
[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49.97
but not below $49.97
 
[YES] Can sell Resale Rights
 
[YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights

[Yes] Can be added to paid membership sites where the monthly membership
cost is more than $10.

[Yes] Can be offered as a bonus with another paid product
 
What you can’t do.

[No] Can Be Edited Completely and Your Name Put on it.
[No] Can be given away
[No] Can be offered through auction sites like ebay
[No] Can be offered through free membership sites or programs
[No] Can be offered through give away sites
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What Kathy & Team has done is,

1. Conveniently ignored the clause which says in black
white and in figures as $49. That too twice.
[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49.97
but not below $49.97

2. Puts the blame on me as if my license is wrong and I
should have worded it the way they wanted it.

3. Tried to manipulate the license just to suit her selfish
needs ignoring the other sellers who are following it.

4. Tried to call me unprofessional where as the first thing
she should have done is to remove my product and ACT
professional
! Instead, she is still selling ignoring my
objection! Amen!

5. She gives the impression that says she was confused.
And the lesson she gives is if you are confused, assume and
do what you want with others products!


6. Still continuing to sell in spite of my objection! Learn from
this guys, they are great people to work with and to be trusted
in the future!

7. These two ladies figures top on http://imcops.com/ for
product devaluation. When I pointed it out to them,
they are trying to give me the impression that they know
all about it and imcops guys are the biggest fraudsters.
Note: I do not know Scott personally as she says nor the
site owners of imcops.com nor have any business dealings
with them.

Courageously -- S. Kumar
http://www.learnhomebusiness.com

P.S: Mother Or "Amma" in my native language means the
most revered in the whole world. But there is saying that
goes like this. "Even if you beat your mother, there will be
two opinions about it"
. I won't be surprised if some clicks
suddenly spring up from nowhere just to answer this.



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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 11:21:14 PM »

Well, S. Kumar, I have to say...
I too might have been confused by the wording of your license.

In one place you talk of packaging it or bundling it with others, as long as the price is $49 or whatever, and then in another part you say it may be added as a bonus to a paid product.

That is what makes it confusing.

You see, in the first one, making it a PART of the paid package is SELLING IT.
In the second one, it is ADDING IT AS A BONUS - no charge.

I'm sorry to say that I think that you might be the culprit here, and should probably suck it up.

I too have spoken to Scott.

He contacted me via Skype to ask me if I was aware that my graphics were for sale on their site for a cheaper price than my own current sale, and asked if they had purchased rights.

I was dismayed to find that they had put up a sale with a cheaper price, especially since my sale is still running. But yes, they had indeed purchased rights.

But... THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO SO, because I never said in my license that there was a minimum price. I would have hoped that they wouldn't undercut me at least until my own sale was finished, but I can't dictate how they wish to run their business.

A larger problem in my eyes was that Paul Mihai Pavel clearly violated the terms - he bundled the product on the page with two other graphics packages, something clearly prohibited in the terms. Further, the other packages were both offered with rights - and I own them both, and when I checked my records I saw that he didn't even own the rights to one of the packages.

When I sent him a note about it, he replied very nasty, quoted some law about price fixing (which, by the way, doesn't apply to me - it's a US law and I am Canadian) and said if I didn't stop emailing him he'd sell rights for a dollar.

To me, THAT is a slimy marketer.

Anyway, what I take from my own experience here is that I will no longer be selling rights to my products if I don't control the price. Period.

I personally LIKE Kathe Lucas... we've talked numerous times and she is a very neat lady. If nothing else, for me, it's "lesson learned" for my own business practices, and I will protect my products better in future.

Perhaps you might consider rewriting your own terms to be crystal clear.

Lisa
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 01:28:51 AM »

Thanks Lisa for your valuable views

But I still think I am right though I have learned my lessons
on Kathe Lucas plus something more...

Let's go through the rights again.

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[YES] Can resell for any price you want and keep all the money
Note: This means you can sell it for even $1 if you are selling it
as it is.

 
[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49.97
but not below $49.97

Note: This means you HAVE TO sell the package for $49.97 if you
are including this in a package. And that is what Kathe initially did undercharging
it (later changed to bonus]) Mind you, a bonus is a part of the total
sales package,
if you are charging as one time fee for everything.


Can you say otherwise?
 
[YES] Can sell Resale Rights
self explanatory
 
[YES] Can sell Master Resale Rights
self explanatory

[Yes] Can be added to paid membership sites where the monthly membership
cost is more than $10.
self explanatory

[Yes] Can be offered as a bonus with another paid product

Note: A bonus is a part of the package and IT Should
adhere to the earlier clear clause. And this is where She
tried to manipulate. It was just a matter of commonsense.
It is self-understood that since the word package and $49.97
is specifically mentioned else where. What Kathe did was a
deliberate act of omission even when she understood
what NOT to do. I am just "far out" to believe that she is
THAT naive!

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My toothache means more to me than floods in China.

It's good that you have had good experience with this person, but mine
just the reverse as I am at the receiving end and I first-hand what
happened.

This violation and unscrupulous act many not be bleed me
much but still it bleeds not only me but others too.

Courteously -- S. Kumar
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 01:39:20 AM »

Hi S Kumar

I am a stickler for Rights and the way they are worded - so I usually end up asking the vendor to confirm any ambiguities.

I'm afraid I would have been asking you exactly what you meant with yours.

Confusing?  Yes!

You may need to step back and take another look at the wording of your license so that there are no possible misunderstandings.

It also appears from the site in question that after your intervention they have made every possible effort to make it crystal clear what the terms of their sale really are.

Just my thoughts . . . .

I also notified Lisa of her recent graphics package being sold for a lot less than her current sale and asked for clarification there.  One simple support ticket produced an answer right away. 

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 02:30:23 AM »

Hi Jo,

Hi S Kumar

I am a stickler for Rights and the way they are worded - so I usually end up asking the vendor to confirm any ambiguities.

I'm afraid I would have been asking you exactly what you meant with yours.

You would do that. Why didn't they?

That's what exactly what should have been done by these people which they did not
And that's whole point of making this post. It is the sellers responsibility to to confirm
when you are under confusion.

Do not take product developers for granted however high flying one is.

Courteously -- S. Kumar
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P.S. I think I have said what all I have to say. Let me move on
now as I am giving finishing touches to my new villa. All are invited :-)
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 06:25:44 AM »

Hi again S Kumar  (or can I call you Stan?)

I don't want to get involved in a long drawn out conversation about this - after all I am just airing my views, however:-

As I said - "I" - would have asked because "I" am like that!  Not everyone is the same and they take things at face value.

I notice that in your reply to Lisa you have had to qualify EVERY part of the License - therefore - as far as I am concerned - you should have had those qualifications CLEARLY set out BEFORE going ahead with the sale. That would have saved you a lot of frustration.

How long would it have taken to write a clear version of the License??  How much time have you wasted in getting that error corrected??

I am sorry - but I feel you have to accept some of the blame yourself.

Again - just my thoughts . . . . . . .

P.S.  I always think a properly formulated License, well presented, in HTML or PDF form, relating to the precise product, with even some links to your other products is much more professional that some of the  generalised, "Notepad" text files you see being handed out!

And I apologise if this is not the case with your License!


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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 01:32:27 PM »

stan, you have my sypathies. That said, you explain that you can give the product away as a bonus (free, i suppose) together with a paid product, yet what they are doing is bundling it together with their product theyare selling, so the price must start at $50. Who says they are doing that? Maybe they are giving a free bonus?
I suppose the difference will be determined by if let's say the bonus doesn't work, is that grounds to invalidate the entire sale? Well, that depends on howit was worded. Since they wrote "free bonus" it will not invalidate the sale, so indeed it really is a free bonus, not a part of the sale.
again, youv'e got my sympathies
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 01:34:34 PM »

Hi,

I'm new here and don't want to cause problems with anyone, but I
don't really understand why you're so angry over this since your
license says it can be sold for any price.  I would assume you would
enjoy someone selling it and getting your name/website spread around.

I've read your posts and the other people's posts twice now, and
would like to add my thoughts about some of what you said:

"They were clearly devaluing the product" --- How can anyone devalue
something that wasn't given a stand-alone value to begin with? (in
the license)


"And the lesson she gives is if you are confused, assume and do what
you want with others products!" --- I disagree with this, as it's up
to the product creator to ensure their terms are clear.  If they are
not clear, then they are left up to the interpretation of whoever is
reading them, just the same as the laws of our states, provinces and
countries are.


"And that is what Kathe initially did undercharging it (later changed
to bonus])" --- I'm on their list, and I can verify that they called
it a bonus from the beginning.  I received their email early in the
morning and visited the sales page.  The box towards the top that says
"look what you'll get for $11. 95" jumped out at me and I read what was
inside it.  The 250 plugins was listed as a bonus.


"Mind you, a bonus is a part of the total sales package, if you are
charging as one time fee for everything. " --- I beg to differ here,
too.  Many products come with bonuses that are clearly stated as
bonuses on the sales page.  If there was no difference in the package
itself vs.  the package (or single product) with a bonus, then there
would be no reason to call it a bonus.


"Note: A bonus is a part of the package" --- Then what constitutes a
bonus in your opinion?


"It is the sellers responsibility to to confirm when you are under
confusion. " --- If the product/license creator was clear to begin
with, then sellers wouldn't have to waste their time or the owners
time by asking.


Sorry if I've gotten started off here on the wrong foot, but I, too,
am a stickler for properly following license terms.  It's just really
hard to follow the rules when they're not made clear, and
unfortunately, your license is very unclear in my eyes.



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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 02:36:32 PM »

WOW. . . who woulda thought an old lady could create so much flack here.   Geeezzz. . .

OK, Mr.  Kumar, in my defense here, I have to copy what you sent me as the professional marketer you really are (since you thought it necessary to show my answer here):

Hi guys,

Seriously,

This is to inform you that you are violating the rights
of 250 word press plugins that you are selling from
hxxp: wackywednesdaysale. com/121008/index. php

Remove my product from your site immediately
or face the wrath which include litigation from US
attorneys, email to my list of 30,000 and forum
postings.

You have vioalated this clause in the licence.
[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49. 97 but not below $49. 97

Your time starts now! Any moment I will bring this
to the world notice.

Regards,

S.  Kumar
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Hi,

Just got this from a customer of mine.

Please go to:
hxxp: imcops. com/

You will find your name & pics on the site for devaluing products.

Just a word of friendly advice. 

And I have not complained to anyone so far.  Looks like
some one who was following the licence details fully
did it.

Regards,

S.  Kumar
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The second paragraph got me right off. . .  I mean who threatens like that?  Professionals I know don't. . . but hey, i've met all kinds online here, so. . . .

But it doesn't end there. . . after my reply, this was what we received at the helpdesk:


» Reply by: S.  Kumar   
It's pretty simple that you are violating the licence!

Don't you understand plain English!

It clearly says

"[YES] Can be packaged where the total cost of the package is above $49. 97 but not below $49. 97"

Don't you understand the numbers! That makes it very clear and you are selling the product
with a pack that is selling for less price.

If you say, my licence is confusing that makes it clear that you should have contacted me in this
case.

Remove my product immediately.

S.  Kumar

BTW, I have not contacted Scott. 
Response Time: 3 Hours 21 Minutes Wed 10 Dec 2008, 19:0 PM
 
» Reply by: S.  Kumar   
To Add,

It's clear that you can give it as a bonus or package it if you are
selling your product pack for more than $49. 97.

And the most unproffessional thing you have done is keep the
product on your still arguing with me!

If you were professional you would have pulled it down FIRST
then talk to me.

S.  Kumar


OK. . . so there you have it. . .

Now, let me please give you the scenario leading up to this. . .

First off, we are a year into Wacky Wednesday Sale, and I have to honestly say, with one exception, we have never had this type of problem because Denise and I are both sticklers for licensing and abiding by the way they are passed to us (which is usually very unclear in MANY circumstances).

I am taking the blame for this one off Denise, because in finishing up the Wacky at 2 am Wednesday morning, I had had a full day sitting in a recliner taking an IV infusion that began at 6:30 am and didn't get me home until almost 5 pm. . . not a pleasant day to say the least. . . and then found that the day had been so hectic in my absence, that we still had a Wacky to do.   

I jumped in with both feet and compiled what was offered, fully aware that the product this is all about was to be called a bonus (never mind it didnt' make sense that I could sell it for $. 01?  . . . that's valuable stuff there!).   Since our wackys ARE a product themselves, regarless of how they are packaged, i read the license to mean, as long as I called it a BONUS, I was fine. . . so I did.   Hindsight what it is. . . I probably should have put it at the bottom of the page, so that was my fault. . . but DID call it a BONUS from the start.   The license didn't make much good sense frankly, but I WAS a bit too tired by then and felt I had the bases covered properly.

I mean, who wouldn't want to give away (as he does here) an ebook full of links where the last pages are all affiliate products that lead back to him, right? . . . more money for the marketer it would seem).

If you're willing to give a product away or state that it can be sold for any amount, only makes sense that it was produced to do just what I stated. . . produce more income for the marketer via all the embedded affiliate links throughout.   Worked for me.   

Until the next day. . .

So, I open the helpdesk and here is this THREATENING ticket. . .

For all he knew at that point, whoever passed the product to me could have left the license out altogether. . . yet, jury was in already in. . . tried - GUILTY!  Do not pass go and do not collect $200. . .

Probably had you simply stated "remove the product immediately" I would have done so. . . but hey, i'm just as stubborn as the next one, and when you wave that threatening RED FLAG in front of my face and tell me you're going to sic US attorneys on me from whereever the heck you are. . . well. . . lol, sorry charlie, I just dug my heels in (well, coupled with having my face plastered on a site I had no opportunity to dispute or defend - how crazy is that?  Again, pros at work here).

Anyway, I set about to see how others felt. . . we already had released the package, had affiliates pushing it and before I pull something, i want to make sure I was understanding things properly.

Things got worse from there and now all this lost time and hard feelings, when it could have been different.

What I didnt' find out until later (because, as Lisa states. . . we were within license terms for her package). . . was that SHE was also wrapped up in all this somehow.   So I set out to find and apologize to her for any misunderstandings. . . what NORMAL pros do.   

So, Mr.  Kumar (whatever your first name is. . . why a secret, i'm not sure), this was not intentional, and still I don't understand what part of having all your affiliate links out there that you object to.   It's a bonus to a product presented by Wacky Wednesday Sale called "Professional Blog Building" (regardless of what all is in it).

By giving it away, you obviously are stating what YOU think the product is worth, which is nothing (or very little).   

But, all that said here. . . we will put your product on a seperate page/offer for $. 50 to make you happy, and hopefully, I'll have time to take care of that soon as this has wasted so much of my time, my loyalty lies with our customers first, not an idle threat that means nothing unless you are ready to come on over here and sue me in a US court of law?  I would love to meet you face to face, I'm sure.

Wishing you all the success in the world Mr.  Kumar.   Hopefully we will not have the occassion of doing business together again. . . oh, and by the way. . . you MIGHT want to add the "e" in the URL in the footer of every page in your ebook. . . that is unless your URL is now learnhombusiness. com.

English IS my first language, by the way, and while I'm just an old Okie with a Master's degree, I'm sure it's going to take a few more years of education to learn how to speak and spell so folks outside the USA can understand me. . .  :o

May you all have a blessed day and evening.

All My Best (although I guess it COULD get better at some point. . . ),

Kathe
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2008, 02:43:58 PM »

Oops, and my apologies to those of you posting here. . . thanks so much for your additional input.   

I think I will write a report on HOW TO WRITE A LICENSE THAT DOESN'T CREATE HAVOC.

I'm taking preorders now  Grin

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 03:03:53 PM »

I just looked at the site you listed, the IM Cops one, and it doesn't make a lot
of sense to call someone a "product devaluer. " I still think the only way a product
can be considered devalued is if the license states a minimum price.

I also believe the person who owns the site could get into a lot of legal trouble for
slander, libel or character defamation if he/she doesn't have permission to print
names and "reports" about these people, and there aren't even "reports" there,
just "wanted" posters.

The footer of the site says it's "A Division of Overnight News Service, A News
Reporting Agency" but any legitimate news agency would know they cannot
slander people that way.  I would be very wary of that site, and frankly, a site
called IMCops should be a trustworthy site, but it appears to be the opposite
in my opinion.

Just my thoughts.


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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 03:15:43 PM »

Thanks "JustMe" . . .  nice to know there are still some level headed folks around  ::)
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 11:34:09 PM »

Quote from: justme link=topic=1877. msg8065#msg8065 date=1229036633
I just looked at the site you listed, the IM Cops one, and it doesn't make a lot
of sense to call someone a "product devaluer.  " I still think the only way a product
can be considered devalued is if the license states a minimum price.

When someone takes a Brand New Product that the author is selling for say 27. 00 and
prices that product at say 14. 95 on the sameday as the sale started that is a product
devaluer.  It doesn't matter that there wasn't a minimum price setup in the license, it's
called common sense.  And even if there was a minimum selling price in the license, we
have seen Marketers that start spouting about the Sherman Act of 1890 and think that
will protect them except the Sherman Act has been overturned many times.  What really
kills us is that most IM's that start spouting about the Sherman Act are not even in the
US so it doesn't even pertain to them yet they will continue to devalue a product and even
threaten to sell it for less it the issue is pushed. 

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I also believe the person who owns the site could get into a lot of legal trouble for
slander, libel or character defamation if he/she doesn't have permission to print
names and "reports" about these people, and there aren't even "reports" there,
just "wanted" posters.

One can only be sued for slander, libel or character defamation if the claims are baseless and
no proof can be shown.  All claims will be backed up by proof.  As for the site not having any
reports, well the site isn't even Live yet so no one can see any of the content that will be on
the site.

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The footer of the site says it's "A Division of Overnight News Service, A News
Reporting Agency" but any legitimate news agency would know they cannot
slander people that way.   I would be very wary of that site, and frankly, a site
called IMCops should be a trustworthy site, but it appears to be the opposite
in my opinion.

Being in the News Business for over 20 years we can say we know what can and cannot be
reported, your not slandering people if you have proof of the actions reported.  Is it slander
when someone gets arrested for suspicion of murder and they are reported on the TV News,
Newspaper and/or in a Website? Of course not, it is slander, libel or character defamation
when a contractor is accused of wrong doing on the TV News, Newspaper and/or in a Website?
Of course not.  Reporting violations such as product devaluation and/or license violations
is also not slander, libel or character defamation, it is simply reporting what is going on to
inform others of what is happening in the Internet Community.

As for the Trustworthiness of the site, you can trust that violators will be reported and proof
be shown in the form of screen shots and/or by complaints from product owners themselves if
they choose to do so and every complaint will be investigated first before being added to the
site.  We do have plans for a forum where people can discuss such reported violators and we
have a support channel for those on the site to contact us and discuss it.

Product Devaluation is out of control right now mostly I might add by those that are newer to
the IM Community and are in other countries, the same with license violations.  Now I am no
Goody Two Shoes, yes I have in the past sold products cheaper then I probably should have
but have turned that around and try to stick within the price range of what the product owner
is selling it for so to not hurt their sales if I can help it.  And if I find a License confusing I contact
the product owner before putting it up for sale and then blaming it on them for a confusing license
and I have even helped product owners draft clear licenses so there is no confusion.

I believe in the IM Community and I believe we need to clean it up as most think that Internet
Marketers are just back stabbing SOB's that would sell their mother for a buck if they could under
cutting the next guy just to make a few sales and all they are really doing is devaluing products to
the point that no one will buy them because how can you sell a product that should be 27. 00 if it
is being sold for 14. 95 or less.

Another thing that is wrong with the IM Community are those operators that feel they need to have
Giveways each and every month and there are some that have 3 or 4 going on each and every month.
Giveaways used to be a Great List Building tools before they were abused where you could get 1000
signups but now adays your lucky for get 100.  The Giveaway Operators do not care as they have made
a business out of it by getting upgrade fees and that is all they really care about.  Most Giveaways have
the same old crap on them, someone said to me the other night "Freebie Seekers Breed Freebie Seekers"
meaning with all these Giveaways going on who wants to buy anything when they can get it for free on
a Giveaway.

The reality is that we all need to pitch in and clean up the IM Community, we all need to start sticking
together and stop back stabbing just to make a quick buck.  IMCops was envisioned for that purpose
and has a lot of supporters and I am sure will have many more when it goes Live.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 12:50:49 AM »

Hi justme,

I have already said in my main post,

"I won't be surprised if some clicks
suddenly spring up from nowhere just to answer this
."


And your stats shows just 2 posts (both in this thread),
joined today, 12th Dec. I will answer you when you have
more posts on this forum and when I am convinced that
you are not just another paid click.

Kathe,

I am sorry to say that your reply just lack the wisdom of an old
lady
. I felt as if I am reading the mind of a culprit who knows she
can manipulate with emotions & legality but hiding the truth
inside with the full knowledge that there exist a chance of you going
scott free!

The point here is you knew the meaning of the License deep inside
you
but you still choose to manipulate throwing your conscience and
ethics
out of window set next to your computer!

I will certainly get back to this issue later when I have a little
more spare time.

"English IS my first language, by the way, and while I'm just an old Okie with a Master's degree, I'm sure it's going to take a few more years of education to learn how to speak and spell so folks outside the USA can understand me"

You have a point there. English is not my first language and like
you I do not have a Master's degree. In fact, I have not even seen
the aisle of a college
and a high school drop out too.

"May you all have a blessed day and evening.
All My Best (although I guess it COULD get better at some point. . . ),"


Certainly! And please know that I am not a monster. But when
I feel that I am wronged, it starts disturbing me like everyone
and I will not hesitate to air my views in just plain terms as I
feel it.

Yes! I think I am blessed to some extent today. Or I
would not have bought house that cost me quarter of a
million dollars and I could pay it hard cash without mortages:
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=x9wgPrekhoc

And neither this product, nor this post that did it for me!

May god bless you,

Courteously -- S. Kumar
www.learnhomebusiness.com



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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 01:28:28 AM »

Nice to see this moved to the "Rants" section - at the end of the day, I suppose that's what it is!

Not wanting to get embroiled in this too much (! Yeah - right!) and not taking anyone's "side" but:-

infoagent (Kathe)

I thank you for your post regarding Mr Kumar's original "request" to you - maybe that wasn't the way for him to handle it!

However, to bring his Country of Origin or whatever into this, in my opinion, has nothing to do with the situation.  I enjoyed your response until those final paragraphs.

usdcserv (No Name - sorry)

You obviously have an interest in the IM Cops site - but for someone who has been in the "News Business" for over 20 years - you have a lot to learn about proof-reading and grammar.  If you want to present a professional site (when, and if, it does become live) you will have to work hard on it.

Once again,  just my thoughts . . . .


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