Well, nice to see everybody is still on top of keeping the IM Community under control here. :)
Good Morning All!
Ahhh, I see the RANT continues.
. . . to joblythe:
However, to bring his Country of Origin or whatever into this, in my opinion, has nothing to do with the situation. I enjoyed your response until those final paragraphs.
I want to say "thanks for the reminder," because you are absolutely right! I should have never lowered myself to someone else's standards under ANY circumstance.
I'm sure it was simply a momentary lack of OLD LADY WISDOM on my part. . . :o
Not that it was an excuse, but I felt at the time someone asking me if I understood english when they were outside the US, yet knew that I was INSIDE the US, was a bit assinine.
Hindsight what it is, this whole thing is ridiculous, frankly, but it took my getting a full night's sleep to regain my sanity here. Old ladies need their rest, and this, coupled with my health issues beat me down pretty good this week (well, and finding out there was a FULL MOON. . . lol) . . . but no more.
My (our) reputation is long standing in the IM Community, so if a flow of unsubstantiated claims makes someone feel better about themselves, so be it. Otherwise, why would it be so important to show somebody a youtube video of a real estate commercial saying "look at me. "
In my life experience, most REAL millionaires that I know personally (and I know many) don't feel the need to be so bragadocious unless it's needed to benefit them by saying "look at me. . . buy what I have, because if you give me your money, you can make it easier for me to finance this. "
Old men buy new corvettes for a similar reasons (inside female humor, sorry - lol - Lisa Preston that one was for YOUR chuckle value
Guys, listen. . .
This will probably be my last visit here. . . I have better things to do with my time. Anybody that knows me, or has taken the time to know me, or met me at any of the seminars, knows my heart and head are in the right place on this license matter AND pricing fiasco.
I am who I say I am, and have been a self-employed entrepreneur for more than 30 years, but I certainly don't go around the forums banging on folks just to get noticed (as you can see by my number of posts here). Heck, Lisa has been trying to drag me in here since this forum opened. . . lol
To update: we've moved Mr. Kumar's report in question to another page and are now selling for $ . 50 to meet the terms of Mr. Kumar's license, so in my estimation, there is nothing left there to take issue with, right?
I talked with Lisa again yesterday, as well as the day I bought her graphics. We'd even discussed that she had in fact "learned her lesson" and that "next time" she will style her license differently to protect herself and her great work.
I'd asked BEFORE I purchased if there was a minimum price on the package, and since most of OUR customers are newbies, and not "big marketers" and don't normally hang out in the forums that much, I did offer "personal use only" at the price everybody seems to be upset with - YET, I was still fully within the written license. If they bought JUST simple resell rights, it cost them more than her basic package, anyway.
I apologized to Lisa, even offering to advertise her warrior forum sale outside the small list we marketed the graphics to, and without any expectation of compensation. She stated that the sale had long since waned at the warrior forum, but she was gearing up for a new package (with better license restrictions). . . and, as always, I'm looking forward to buying that as soon as she IMs me to let me know it's ready. . . regardless of if I resell it or not!
The decision to offer packages to our customers IS ALWAYS the purpose of buying Master Resell Rights to a product, and if the license is styled such that we remain within the terms, it really isn't anybody's business what price I/we sell things for.
Did I devalue the graphics. . . no. At least not intentionally, AND (which doesn't come out here) others were already offering that package out in the marketplace for less as well. . . which is why THEY bought the Master Resell Rights too, to resell.
As far as the self appointed "police of the Internet". . . well, as directed by my attorney, I notified you "usdcserv" of your copyright infringement by stealing our images without permission, and the images were promptly removed. It doesn't matter that an old news hound should have known better already, but nevertheless. . .
The problem I have now is this:
RATHER than stating THE TRUTH and saying "I removed these images because I am in violation of US law. . . " . . . instead you try to spin it by saying that "we requested removal" to (in your words) "hide their identity" -- which was NOT
THE TRUTH. I mean, you still have our identity there anyway, just not the truth
of the entire matter.
So folks, you be the judge. . . is THAT being honest and/or trustworthy? IMHO, I think not.
Tell the truth on your site, usdcserv, and have you site READY to reveal the report you say you will (again, trustworthy? he says there is a report, yet there is none there), and make the game FAIR to everybody
. . . you say you want to play that way, and I believe you (or maybe I shouldn't?).
With that said, let me ask you this if I may. . .
If my 'still friend' Lisa asks that we be removed, would you abide by that request and remove us? It will be interesting to see, because I've asked her to do just that. Her issue all along (according to our conversation) was with the OTHER GUY that WAS blatantly going against her license, was the one she thought should be revealed.
I have no idea, maybe Lisa is more upset with me than she let on and there's something fishy behind ALL of this, who knows. . . that's the beauty AND the downfall of the Internet - who REALLY knows.
Since your whole site seemed to be focused around Lisa's graphics sale. Finish the site, provide the reports you SAY you will, and add ALL THE OTHER marketers that violate the IM Community moreso than just the three you list there.
Oh, and if you need a list. . . contact me, we have a LONG LIST, but most folks will get bored before they got through it all probably, because for every person you judge for "de-valuation" there will a counter group that will praise and defend them for saving many folks their hard earned cash in these hard economic times.
Regardless, I've supported all of Lisa's fund raising efforts, have been there to buy every time she asked me to, bought and paid for custom graphics, and love her to this day. . . our sale was not to DEVALUE anything, but to provide a reasonable offer to our customers that was within the bounds of a stated license. Lisa realized the error of her license BEFORE I ever offered the package to our customers because we did discuss what restrictions she would be placing on her NEXT package. And where I'm not going to copy our conversation here. . . said she would "know better next time. " She took responsibility for her error like an adult and considered it a lesson learned.
What all you guys seem to forget through all this stuff is, as MARKETERS, the job is to MARKET.
You buy, you sell.
You invest in products, to get a return on your dollars invested.
Do you complain if Target is offering the same product at $10 less than K-Mart? Probably, but only to get the $10 difference back into your own pocket, more than likely. . . NOT to point out that Target is a disgrace to the retail community for undercutting K-Mart, in your opinion.
I've seen my own works offered at ebay and such myself, and yet, I've NEVER given rights, master, private label, or the like, to anything I've personally written from scratch (a lesson for many to learn there, too). I notified those in question, and sometimes followed up, but usually when someone has to use tactics such as stealing products or goods to better themselves, they will eventually get caught or Karma catches up with them anyway.
Where we have numerous APOLOGIES at our helpdesk because folks jumped to WRONG CONCLUSIONS before realizing that our "devalued" price was for personal use only and that when the prices of personal use and rights were added together, many times our prices equalled MORE than others were selling the same product(s) for, then they understood we were serving a smaller market of folks that couldn't afford to purchase anything if it weren't for our weekly sales and personal use pricing.
Most of our Wacky Wednesday Sale customers have no list, or market to sell to at this point, so would rather save the extra dollars.
So, enough about all of that. I know who I'm dealing with in most cases, and have found through the years that once someone takes the time to approach me in a businesslike manner, things are worked out, and life goes on.
Mr Kumar's license in question was just that. . . QUESTIONABLE. Had I not been in the state of mind I was in earlier in the week, no doubt I would have probably kicked the dang thing off the site anyway because it is fraught with mispellings and loaded with self serving affiliates links.
Yet, I felt the information COULD be useful to some, and knew the additional traffic and earned affiliate income by Mr. Kumar was probably his biggest concern and would override "how" the product was distributed since it was, afterall. . . A BONUS. Translating many times as something having little or no real value.
Target got me into the store with the free Teddy Bear BONUS I could pick up for the kids, yet sold me
$250 worth of goods to go with that Teddy Bear, that probably cost them very little to mass produce anyway.
Again, it's called BUSINESS and MARKETING.
Maybe we should ALL grow up, take responsibility for OURSELVES and our products first, admit when we didn't hit the mark correctly, learn the lesson and move on. . . improving on our future endeavors, but ultimately looking at who
those three other fingers are pointing back to when you go pointing that index finger at someone else?
So, I must ask the question again in this open forum. . .
If my CRIME is de-valuing Lisa's graphics and Lisa admits and takes responsibility for her own actions or inactions (which is what she does and why I like her so much. . . ), will YOU remove the degrading and UNSUBSTANTIATED post on your "cop" site? At the very least, remove Denise's name. . . and deal with me alone? I never drag someone down with me when I can avoid it and am willing to go it alone on this charge as well.
Thank all of you for your time here and again, I wish everybody the very best in all your endeavors online.
If you don't like me, don't deal with me, but don't just blantantly believe what others always say either. . .
As the saying goes, don't believe everything you read or hear and only half of what you see.
Folks usually have a good reason to pull others down publically, and usually it isn't for the good of things overall, but merely to make themselves look better. . . albeit usually only temporarily until the real truth comes out, as it usually does.
My heartfelt apologies to you, Mr. Kumar, that things got out of hand on this. To ask that you try to understand the circumstances under which I was working this week, would be going way beyond what I feel you're willing to do at this point, so we will just let my apology sit for now.
Ultimately, I sincerely hope you found the error in your own ways in all this and now know that, going forward, you will make your license read more clearly, and hopefully, "won't make that same mistake again. "
All in all. . . I predict that with the general economy in the shape it is in, there are going to be a lot of desperate people running around doing unscrupulous things to other people, products and reputations. We should all learn from things such as this and work TOGETHER, not against each other.
Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions or inactions and the rest will more than likely take care of itself along the way.
My apologies to all for my transgressions. I'm better rested now, so you can go about tearing up what i've said here or picking things apart if needed. . . it probably won't affect me in the same way any longer, and I don't have time to go back and make sure I'm politically correct at this point. lol
Over and out. . .